Break the Chain letters

•October 6, 2006 • Leave a Comment

 http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/natalie.html

Most sick child chain letters are variations on the same hoax, often borrowing text from earlier versions. This one illustrates a disturbing new trend of using a picture to tell a thousand lies.

SAMPLE CHAIN LETTER TEXT

Subject: help out aight

Hello, My name is Krista Marie and I have a new born baby named Natalie. She means the world to me, and just resently, the doctors have discovered that my little Natalie has Brain Cancer. Unfortunatly my husband and I don't have the money to pay for the bill. But my husband and I have worked out a deal with AOL and they have agreed to give us 5 cents to each person that recived this e-mail. So please, forward this to everyone you know, and help out my little Natalie and I.

Natalie?

END CHAIN LETTER TEXT

If you’ve received a few “help a sick child” chain letters over time, you probably thought this one was familiar when you first saw it. It bears a strong resemblance to the Rachel Arlingon chain letter. As in that case, someone has attached a photo of an infant – this time in a hospital cradle – to give the story undue credibility and emotional appeal. We’re to assume the child is little Natalie, though no such identification is given in the note.

In reality, the baby in the picture has nothing to do with this chain aside from the fact that some sicko thought the hoax would be more convincing with an actual kid to look at. Her real name is Megan Olivia Cronce and she is not suffering from “brain cancer.” She’s a healthy baby girl whose proud parents posted a picture of her on the ‘net.


 

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What chain letters like these suggest is impossible. AOL does not and will not make a charitable contribution contingent on strangers forwarding a poorly written chain letter. And even if they wanted to, there is no way they can track how many people receive it. No one is collecting signatures and there is no technology that could send such information back to AOL.

The urge to forward chains like this one is strong, especially when we believe that a small child’s life is at stake. They tug at our hear strings and pit our emotions against our common sense. Even when we doubt them, we pass them on “just in case.” Besides, it can’t hurt anything, can it? Well, maybe it can.

Ever wonder why someone would start a chain like this? There could be many reasons. The most obvious reason is as a joke to humiliate those inexperienced enough to fall for it. But there’s another, somewhat more sinister, possibility. When you forward a chain letter, your e-mail address, and those of the people to which you send it, are attached to the message. Spammers and scammers often collect chain letters as a means to building their mailing lists. So, this message (and others like it) do no good and could actually do harm. That’s reason enough for me to break this chain!

What Do You Think?

Fausta’s reflections on Paul Vallely’s article

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Sigmund, Carl and Alfred sent this article by Paul Vallely, who’s asking Has the West been silenced by Islam?

(Vallely, by the way, is the guy that came up with the absurd list of top 20 Muslim inventions that I debunked last March.)

In the current article Vallely doesn’t understand the concept of Papal infallibility,

The Vatican moved into withdrawal mode, with the Pope’s spokesman, then the Pope himself, on two separate public occasions, saying he did not endorse the emperor’s words, and that he was “very sorry” for the misunderstanding.

Such corrections were damaging to the Pope’s image among Catholics of infallibility.

Maybe only in Vallely’s mind. In fact, the Pope is considered infallible only on proclamations of issues of dogma, when speaking ex cathedra, and in any case, the point of what Pope Benedict was saying is that

Not to act in accordance with reason is contrary to God’s nature.

I speculate that Vallely didn’t bother reading the Pope’s speech. And, by the way, it was a speech, not a sermon.

Vallely may or may not be correct in pointing out that

This is not so much a clash of civilisations as one between religious and secular fundamentalists.

Too bad Vallely essentially says we should stay silent:

in many places there is a growing realisation that freedom of expression is not absolute but needs to be governed by a sense of social responsibility. To elevate one right above all others is the hallmark of the single-issue fanatic. Sometimes it is wise to choose not to exercise a right.

Forgive my snarkiness, Paul, but rights are a matter of “use it or lose it”.

While on a religous matters, Michael Medved ponders Religion, madness and secular paranoia

Why, then, the blatant loathing of Christian believers in so many books and columns and manifestos from non-believers on the left? None of the volumes decrying Christian influence suggest that religious families engage in violence more frequently than atheists, or unravel the fabric of society through criminality, selfishness or greed. When I’ve interviewed the authors on my radio show, they freely admit that they’d be pleased to live next door to an Evangelical, or even a Fundamentalist household, because such people are likely to be law-abiding, hard-working, neighborly, stable and considerate. This contradiction demonstrates the irrational essence of the hatred and fear of a group of citizens who do more than their share at feeing the hungry, housing the homeless, keeping families together, educating their children, serving in the military, giving to charity, maintaining their homes, nursing the sick, promoting adoption and building vibrant communities. What, exactly, do conservative Christians do that in any way harms or damages their non-Christian neighbors?

But back to the opera: Germany opens major Islam summit

The German government has met Muslim community leaders in Berlin amid a row over the cancellation of a Mozart opera deemed offensive to Muslims.
The Islam conference was a landmark initiative to improve the integration of Germany’s three million Muslims.

It was overshadowed by the row over the opera Idomeneo. In one scene it was to show the severed heads of the Prophet Muhammad, Jesus Christ and Buddha.

Chancellor Angela Merkel condemned “self-censorship out of fear”.

“We must take care that we do not retreat out of a fear of potentially violent radicals,” she said.

She was speaking after the Deutsche Oper in Berlin decided to call off November’s production of Idomeneo, citing “incalculable” security risks.

Integration drive
Interior Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble also attacked the opera company’s decision as “crazy”.

He hosted the conference on Wednesday – the start of a two-year campaign for improved integration of Muslims in Germany, most of whom are of Turkish origin.

After the meeting, Mr Schaeuble said he and his guests all wanted the opera staged and would go together to see it, to send a signal.

Let’s hope they do

How does religion affect mankind?

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Things I need to find out.

1. Why do we need religion?

2. Why do people propagate religion? Why are there so many Christian Missionaries under expensive funding to convert people to their religion? What purpose does it serve/What are the motives behind it?

Should the Pope speak the truth or be politically correct? – New York Post

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ISLAM, THE POPE & THE OPERA

MOST EURO MUSLIMS SICK OF EXTREMISTS MICHAEL MEYER

By MICHAEL MEYER

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Benedict: If he listened, he’d find surprising agreement.

October 2, 2006 — ONCE again, Europe is grappling with explosive questions. How to deal with the religious sensitivities of Islam? Where does free speech and open debate leave off, and offense begin?

Consider the controversies of recent days. In Rome, Pope Benedict XVI apologized to those who may have “misunderstood” a speech he recently gave during a visit to his native Germany, where he quoted a 14th-century Byzantine emperor condemning Muhammad for the “evil he spread by the sword.” Violence, Benedict insisted, “is incompatible with the nature of God and soul.” Days later, in Berlin, the venerable Deutsche Oper opted not to stage a production of Mozart’s “Idomeno” – featuring a scene with the severed heads of Jesus, Buddha and the Prophet – for fear of inflaming Muslim sensibilities.

Angry fingers quickly pointed. “Appeasement,” the pope’s critics howled – the pontiff was merely stating an obvious truth, they argued, and shouldn’t retreat in the face of political correctness. German Chancellor Angela Merkel said much the same on the opera affair: “Self-censorship out of fear is intolerable,” she declared. “Violent radicals” must be confronted, not coddled.

Two important points were all but lost in the uproar. First: Benedict’s “apology” was, in fact, not one at all. Muslim leaders from across Europe were summoned to the Vatican for a “summit,” only to hear the pope read a prepared statement affirming his respect for Islam. Photos of the event told the real story. There sat the leader of Christendom, resplendent on a golden throne and separated from the assembled dignitaries by a vast expanse of polished white-and-black marble floor. He did not take questions.

If this was hardly appeasement, neither was it the “dialogue” the pope had promised. If he had invited conversation (or, better, simply listened), he’d have heard something other than criticism – for the majority of the Muslim leaders gathered there agreed with him, al most entirely. (As, for the record, did Merkel.) They, too, decry extremism. There is no place in civilized life for violence, they would have said, let alone terrorism.

The pope can be forgiven his reticence. After all, “Cartoon-gate” – the bloody riots that erupted last spring after a Danish magazine published caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad – was fresh in his mind. So it was as well for the Berlin opera producers, who cancelled their performance after receiving an anonymous bomb threat. (They’re now reconsidering, depending on whether sufficient security arrangements are practical.)

This raises the second neglected point: Yes, Germany’s more radical Islamic activists welcomed the opera company’s move (suggesting it had headed off potentially ugly protests) – but a vastly larger number of moderates took a different view.

The day after the opera announced the scrubbing of its production, a conference of German Muslims happened to convene in Berlin. Rather than spouting condemnations, they called on Deutsche Oper to restore its program. Some even suggested the entire group attend, en masse.

Kenan Kolat, leader of the country’s 2.1-million Turkish community, spoke for most when he declared that it was high time for Muslims of all ethnic stripes to accept principles of free speech and other tenets of European democracy. “This is about art, not politics,” he told Bavarian radio, adding that anything else represented a retreat to “the Middle Ages.” Shades of Pope Benedict?

The lesson in both incidents, perhaps, is to recognize that Islam is no monolith, in Europe or anywhere else. What’s more, moderates represent an overwhelming majority of Muslims living in Europe – a majority that’s increasingly unhappy with the radicals in their midst.

So, if the pope could be faulted, it had little to do with anything he said: The mistake was his failure to engage with Muslims who would otherwise be allies.

The Berlin opera erred, too – by playing to the wrong audience. The anonymous hot-head who called in his terror threat was an enemy not only of the West but also the multitude of fellow Muslims who largely embrace a German way of life.

Merkel and the pope are right. We should not coddle extremists, let alone kowtow to them.

Michael Meyer is Europe/Middle East editor for Newsweek International and a member of Benador Associates.

“Has the West been silenced by Islam?” – The Independent

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Has the West been silenced by Islam?

In an age scarred by flashpoints between cultures and religions, it is easy to make accusations of prejudice or bigotry. But, argues Paul Vallely, we have all got something to gain from developing new sensitivities

Published: 04 October 2006

 

A cartoon in Private Eye neatly summarised one side of the argument. First Muslim: “The Pope says Islam is a violent religion.”Second Muslim: “Let’s kill him then.”

Cartoons, as we have come to learn, can be dodgy guides through the minefield in which European and Islamic cultures meet. But there are fears of a clash of civilisations in which Europe’s enlightenment values are under attack from religious obscurantism. Cherished traditions, such as freedom of speech, the alarmists complain, are being surrendered out of political correctness and appeasement.

Thus we see this week that Spanish villagers who have for centuries donned medieval costumes to re-enact battles between Moors and Christians are now abandoning the custom of burning effigies of the Prophet Mohamed to celebrate the end of 800 years of Muslim rule in the Iberian peninsula.

Meanwhile, in France a philosophy teacher is in hiding after publishing a newspaper article critical of Islam. In Germany a production of Mozart’s opera Idomeneo has been cancelled for fear of angering Muslims. And in Rome, Benedict XVI continues to issue apologies – he’s done four so far – for his ill-judged quotation from a 14th-century Byzantine emperor who had called Islam “evil and inhuman”. The Pope clearly still isn’t sorry enough in the view of the two hijackers.

By contrast, in the West, even those who judged that the Pontiff, and others, may have gone too far have been rushing for their dictionaries of quotations to find the exact words of Voltaire about disapproving of what you say but defending to the death your right to say it. (They were actually written by one Evelyn Beatrice Hall, a biographer of that icon of the European Enlightenment). Everywhere have sprung up champions of freedom of expression and crusaders against religious darkness in the name of Western values. Yet the truth is somewhat different. This is not so much a clash of civilisations as one between religious and secular fundamentalists. For our world is very different from even that of our fathers, let alone that of Voltaire, In his day, religion was the dominant oppressive culture against which emerging rationalism struggled. Today, by contrast, Islam embodies the identity of one of the most vulnerable, and alienated, minorities in Europe.

That is not all. The reality of a multi-faith multicultural Europe, in which many feel threatened by the fear of new and growing waves of immigration, is provoking a crisis of identity characterised by increasing insularity and fear. It is in that context that the simplistic polarisation between “the inalienable principle of freedom of speech” and “the sphere of divine duty” is taking place. The result is all too often a dialogue of the deaf.

Take the article in Le Figaro written by the French high-school philosophy teacher Robert Redeker. In it he complained that France was “more or less consciously submitting itself to the dictates of Islam” by banning string bikinis during this summer’s annual beach party in Paris, setting up times when only women can visit public swimming pools and allowing Muslim schoolchildren – horror of horrors – to get halal food in school cafeterias.

These are all reasonable issues for debate. The problem was that, for good rhetorical measure, he also added that the Koran was “a book of extraordinary violence”. And that the Prophet Mohamed was “a pitiless warlord”, a “murderer of Jews” and “a master of hate”. His vocabulary was not quite as vile as that of the Dutch filmmaker, Theo van Gogh, who routinely described Muslims as “goatfuckers” before one of them murdered him. Nonetheless Redeker, who immediately began to receive e-mail death threats, feared that some Islamic zealot might try to carry them out.

The trouble with debate carried out in this adolescent fashion is that it obscures rather than enlightens. Though it purports to open a dialogue with Muslims about the values of a pluralist society, in reality it is simply gratuitously offensive. And it merely reinforces the prejudices of the fundamentalists on both sides. See, say the Islamists, the West is inherently anti-Muslim. See, say the Enlightenmentists, Islam has an intrinsic propensity for violence.

The Pope has not helped here. Though he has apologised for not distancing himself from the “evil and inhuman” quote he has not resiled from the substance of his Regensburg address. In it he insisted that, thanks to the influence of Greek philosophy, there was no conflict between faith and reason at the core of Christianity. The Christian God is incapable of actions which are not good: hence He could never endorse the use of violence to spread religion. In Islam, by contrast, he said, God is not bound by any human categories, even that of reason, which is why Islam sees no contradiction on spreading religion by the sword.

To back his argument he selectively drew on Christian theologians who endorsed his view, niftily omitting those like Tertullian or Calvin who leaned towards the “God beyond reason” view. And he cited a marginal medieval Muslim theologian, Ibn Hazn, who said that God is not bound even by his own word, ignoring the many Muslims, such as the Mu’tazilite school, who have said God must act in accordance with reason.

This is all high-brow stuff but it boils down to the same kind of triumphalism, without the gross insults. Both say that Islam is alien and can never be truly European.

Others are less narrow-minded. The decision in Spain to scrap the burning of effigies of Mohamed reveals that a new sensitivity is developing in many quarters. It was evident in the cancellation of the production of Mozart’s Idomeneo at the Deutsche Oper. The Hans Neuenfels production, which inserts a scene not in Mozart’s score – in which the heads of Poseidon, Jesus, Buddha and Mohamed are pulled from a bloody sack – may have been unexceptional when it opened in 2003 but that was before the riots that erupted around the world after a Danish magazine last year published a series of puerile cartoons of Mohamed, including one in which the prophet’s turban contained a bomb. Not everyone is so convinced. Wolfgang Boersen, the German government’s culture spokesman, accused the opera house of “falling on its knees before the terrorists”. One Austrian newspaper spoke of the “high point of self-censorship”. But in many places there is a growing realisation that freedom of expression is not absolute but needs to be governed by a sense of social responsibility. To elevate one right above all others is the hallmark of the single-issue fanatic. Sometimes it is wise to choose not to exercise a right.

There are signs too of a growing maturity among the Muslim community. The wild men have been in evidence – and much quoted by a confrontation-hungry media – but many Muslims are coming to see that they must respect the traditions of the culture into which they and their fathers have immigrated. And if cynicism, irony and indeed blasphemy are – going back to Voltaire – part of the culture they have decided they must observe it with detachment. A group of German Islamic leaders, meeting in Berlin for a routine forum with the government, called unanimously for Idomeneo to be performed as scheduled next month. One imam even said they would all attend the performance.

That was a refreshing contrast to the hyperbole about art and free speech being “the elixirs of an enlightened society”. Instead of a power struggle, or a test of wills, it opens the way to a more mature approach. Instead of an emotional debate which closes down rational discourse, it is the way to build common values – ones which recognise the inalienable right to freedom of expression but which, at the same time, demand it be exercised in a measured way.

Voltaire, the great deist, had something to offer here too. Calling out to God, he wrote, “you did not give us hearts to hate nor did you give us hands to kill. May our differences in attire, our ridiculous customs, our imperfect laws and our nonsensical opinions, may all these nuances not be interpreted as signs of hatred and persecution”.

Now there is a European inheritance which perhaps all might embrace.

The festival

This year villages around Valencia have dropped the ancient custom of burning effigies of the Prophet Mohamed to mark the reconquest of Spain from the Moors. Mayors in a number of villages near Valencia said they did not want to offend Muslim sensibilities. “It wasn’t necessary and, as it could hurt some people’s feelings, we decided not to do it,” Antonio Valdes, the mayor of Bocairent, said.

Majed Kadem, the president of the Islamic Community of Alicante, said the tradition was viewed by most Muslims as a “healthy diversion”. But Asid Farrod, the Imam of Barcelona, said the fiestas were offensive and should have been stopped years ago. “That they have gone on so long is a disgrace. We are living in a country where hatred of our Prophet is everywhere,” he said.

The Reconquista (Reconquest) holiday in February celebrates the victory of the Catholic King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella over the Muslims in 1492 and the expulsion of the Moors after seven centuries of Muslim domination of Spain.

The Pope

Pope Benedict XVI astonished moderate Muslims, and infuriated extremists, when he used a learned address to a German university to quote a Byzantine emperor describing Islam as “inhuman and evil”. The Pope characterised the quotation as “brusque”, but did not otherwise suggest that he disagreed with it, provoking protests across the Muslim world from Turkey to Pakistan to Turkey to Jakarta in Indonesia, left.

The Vatican moved into withdrawal mode, with the Pope’s spokesman, then the Pope himself, on two separate public occasions, saying he did not endorse the emperor’s words, and that he was “very sorry” for the misunderstanding.

Such corrections were damaging to the Pope’s image among Catholics of infallibility.

After the Pope summoned ambassadors to his residence and pledged himself to peaceful dialogue, the row finally died down. But the central paradox remained: if Muslims react so violently when their religion is identified with violence, doesn’t it prove the accusation right?

The politician

John Reid, the Home Secretary, was heckled by protesters as he gave a speech in east London last month urging Muslim parents to watch their children for signs of extremism.

Abu Izzadeen called Mr Reid an “enemy of Islam” and asked how he could “dare” come to a Muslim area after so many had been arrested under the terror legislation. “Shame on all of us for … listening to him,” he said.

It later transpired that Mr Izzadeen has been investigated over comments about the London suicide bombings, after describing the attacks as “mujahedin activity” which would make people “wake up and smell the coffee”, during an interview on the BBC’s Newsnight last year.

Mr Izzadeen’s actions were regarded with contempt by moderate Muslims. Khalid Mahmood, the MP for Perry Barr, condemned a planned visit to Birmingham this month by Mr Izzadeen and his followers for an Islamic rally. He said: “The people who follow Izzadeen are idiots and he should be banned from ever entering Birmingham.”

The opera

Germany’s first case of self-censorship in the face of a perceived Islamic terrorist threat provoked uproar last week when one of Berlin’s opera houses banned a production of the Mozart opera Idomeneo, which depicted the beheading of the world’s spiritual leaders, including Mohamed. (The head of Jesus is pictured left). The scene does not appear in the original plot.

Kirsten Harms, the director of the city’s Deutsche Oper, quit because she had been warned by police that the work would pose an “incalculable security risk” if it was shown, provoking criticism from politicians, theatre directors and the majority of Muslim community leaders. Kenan Kolat, the head of Germany’s Turkish community, said: “The opera should be shown. Art must be free.” Ali Kizilkaya, the head of the Islamic Council, disagreed. “The ban is right because the scene offends the feelings of Muslims,” he said. “Whether it’s an opera or a cartoon, it makes no difference.”

The radio show

Being funny about fatwas on the radio has not got down well with defenders of Muslim civil rights in the United States. In recent weeks the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) has taken action twice to chide those it believes have crossed the line from humour to abuse.

First to be reprimanded was a Minnesota radio station which aired a skit called “Muslim Jeopardy” hosted by DJ Dave Ryan (left). With a mangled South Asian accent, an anonymous announcer named three categories of questions: “infamous infidels”, “smells like Shia” and “potent portables”. A female host was threatened with beheading if she got an answer wrong. After a letter of complaint from CAIR, the station apologised.

Then came a radio commercial from an Ohio car dealership which was withdrawn after complaints. It declared a “a jihad on the automotive industry” and said sales representatives would be wearing burqas.

The intellectual

Robert Redeker, a French philosophy teacher, and his family have been living in hiding under police protection since he wrote a newspaper article critical of Islam in mid-September. He has received death threats, and Islamist websites have carried his description and directions to his home.

In his article – inspired by Muslim reaction to the Pope’s comments in Germany – he complained that Islam was trying to destroy the West by attacking its liberties.

Soheib Bencheikh, the director of the Institute of Islamic sciences in Paris, said: “Anyone should have the right to criticise Islam, just as Christianity was attacked during the enlightenment in the 18th century… Not to criticise Islam would be a form of segregation.”

But Abdelhakim Sefrioui, a member of the French Council of Imams, said: “The liberty of expression is invoked every time someone wants to stigmatise Islam. There is a climate of Islamophobia in France.”

A cartoon in Private Eye neatly summarised one side of the argument. First Muslim: “The Pope says Islam is a violent religion.”Second Muslim: “Let’s kill him then.”

Cartoons, as we have come to learn, can be dodgy guides through the minefield in which European and Islamic cultures meet. But there are fears of a clash of civilisations in which Europe’s enlightenment values are under attack from religious obscurantism. Cherished traditions, such as freedom of speech, the alarmists complain, are being surrendered out of political correctness and appeasement.

Thus we see this week that Spanish villagers who have for centuries donned medieval costumes to re-enact battles between Moors and Christians are now abandoning the custom of burning effigies of the Prophet Mohamed to celebrate the end of 800 years of Muslim rule in the Iberian peninsula.

Meanwhile, in France a philosophy teacher is in hiding after publishing a newspaper article critical of Islam. In Germany a production of Mozart’s opera Idomeneo has been cancelled for fear of angering Muslims. And in Rome, Benedict XVI continues to issue apologies – he’s done four so far – for his ill-judged quotation from a 14th-century Byzantine emperor who had called Islam “evil and inhuman”. The Pope clearly still isn’t sorry enough in the view of the two hijackers.

By contrast, in the West, even those who judged that the Pontiff, and others, may have gone too far have been rushing for their dictionaries of quotations to find the exact words of Voltaire about disapproving of what you say but defending to the death your right to say it. (They were actually written by one Evelyn Beatrice Hall, a biographer of that icon of the European Enlightenment). Everywhere have sprung up champions of freedom of expression and crusaders against religious darkness in the name of Western values. Yet the truth is somewhat different. This is not so much a clash of civilisations as one between religious and secular fundamentalists. For our world is very different from even that of our fathers, let alone that of Voltaire, In his day, religion was the dominant oppressive culture against which emerging rationalism struggled. Today, by contrast, Islam embodies the identity of one of the most vulnerable, and alienated, minorities in Europe.

That is not all. The reality of a multi-faith multicultural Europe, in which many feel threatened by the fear of new and growing waves of immigration, is provoking a crisis of identity characterised by increasing insularity and fear. It is in that context that the simplistic polarisation between “the inalienable principle of freedom of speech” and “the sphere of divine duty” is taking place. The result is all too often a dialogue of the deaf.

Take the article in Le Figaro written by the French high-school philosophy teacher Robert Redeker. In it he complained that France was “more or less consciously submitting itself to the dictates of Islam” by banning string bikinis during this summer’s annual beach party in Paris, setting up times when only women can visit public swimming pools and allowing Muslim schoolchildren – horror of horrors – to get halal food in school cafeterias.

These are all reasonable issues for debate. The problem was that, for good rhetorical measure, he also added that the Koran was “a book of extraordinary violence”. And that the Prophet Mohamed was “a pitiless warlord”, a “murderer of Jews” and “a master of hate”. His vocabulary was not quite as vile as that of the Dutch filmmaker, Theo van Gogh, who routinely described Muslims as “goatfuckers” before one of them murdered him. Nonetheless Redeker, who immediately began to receive e-mail death threats, feared that some Islamic zealot might try to carry them out.

The trouble with debate carried out in this adolescent fashion is that it obscures rather than enlightens. Though it purports to open a dialogue with Muslims about the values of a pluralist society, in reality it is simply gratuitously offensive. And it merely reinforces the prejudices of the fundamentalists on both sides. See, say the Islamists, the West is inherently anti-Muslim. See, say the Enlightenmentists, Islam has an intrinsic propensity for violence.

The Pope has not helped here. Though he has apologised for not distancing himself from the “evil and inhuman” quote he has not resiled from the substance of his Regensburg address. In it he insisted that, thanks to the influence of Greek philosophy, there was no conflict between faith and reason at the core of Christianity. The Christian God is incapable of actions which are not good: hence He could never endorse the use of violence to spread religion. In Islam, by contrast, he said, God is not bound by any human categories, even that of reason, which is why Islam sees no contradiction on spreading religion by the sword.

To back his argument he selectively drew on Christian theologians who endorsed his view, niftily omitting those like Tertullian or Calvin who leaned towards the “God beyond reason” view. And he cited a marginal medieval Muslim theologian, Ibn Hazn, who said that God is not bound even by his own word, ignoring the many Muslims, such as the Mu’tazilite school, who have said God must act in accordance with reason.

This is all high-brow stuff but it boils down to the same kind of triumphalism, without the gross insults. Both say that Islam is alien and can never be truly European.

Others are less narrow-minded. The decision in Spain to scrap the burning of effigies of Mohamed reveals that a new sensitivity is developing in many quarters. It was evident in the cancellation of the production of Mozart’s Idomeneo at the Deutsche Oper. The Hans Neuenfels production, which inserts a scene not in Mozart’s score – in which the heads of Poseidon, Jesus, Buddha and Mohamed are pulled from a bloody sack – may have been unexceptional when it opened in 2003 but that was before the riots that erupted around the world after a Danish magazine last year published a series of puerile cartoons of Mohamed, including one in which the prophet’s turban contained a bomb. Not everyone is so convinced. Wolfgang Boersen, the German government’s culture spokesman, accused the opera house of “falling on its knees before the terrorists”. One Austrian newspaper spoke of the “high point of self-censorship”. But in many places there is a growing realisation that freedom of expression is not absolute but needs to be governed by a sense of social responsibility. To elevate one right above all others is the hallmark of the single-issue fanatic. Sometimes it is wise to choose not to exercise a right.

There are signs too of a growing maturity among the Muslim community. The wild men have been in evidence – and much quoted by a confrontation-hungry media – but many Muslims are coming to see that they must respect the traditions of the culture into which they and their fathers have immigrated. And if cynicism, irony and indeed blasphemy are – going back to Voltaire – part of the culture they have decided they must observe it with detachment. A group of German Islamic leaders, meeting in Berlin for a routine forum with the government, called unanimously for Idomeneo to be performed as scheduled next month. One imam even said they would all attend the performance.

That was a refreshing contrast to the hyperbole about art and free speech being “the elixirs of an enlightened society”. Instead of a power struggle, or a test of wills, it opens the way to a more mature approach. Instead of an emotional debate which closes down rational discourse, it is the way to build common values – ones which recognise the inalienable right to freedom of expression but which, at the same time, demand it be exercised in a measured way.

Voltaire, the great deist, had something to offer here too. Calling out to God, he wrote, “you did not give us hearts to hate nor did you give us hands to kill. May our differences in attire, our ridiculous customs, our imperfect laws and our nonsensical opinions, may all these nuances not be interpreted as signs of hatred and persecution”.

Now there is a European inheritance which perhaps all might embrace.

The festival

This year villages around Valencia have dropped the ancient custom of burning effigies of the Prophet Mohamed to mark the reconquest of Spain from the Moors. Mayors in a number of villages near Valencia said they did not want to offend Muslim sensibilities. “It wasn’t necessary and, as it could hurt some people’s feelings, we decided not to do it,” Antonio Valdes, the mayor of Bocairent, said.

Majed Kadem, the president of the Islamic Community of Alicante, said the tradition was viewed by most Muslims as a “healthy diversion”. But Asid Farrod, the Imam of Barcelona, said the fiestas were offensive and should have been stopped years ago. “That they have gone on so long is a disgrace. We are living in a country where hatred of our Prophet is everywhere,” he said.

The Reconquista (Reconquest) holiday in February celebrates the victory of the Catholic King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella over the Muslims in 1492 and the expulsion of the Moors after seven centuries of Muslim domination of Spain.

The Pope

Pope Benedict XVI astonished moderate Muslims, and infuriated extremists, when he used a learned address to a German university to quote a Byzantine emperor describing Islam as “inhuman and evil”. The Pope characterised the quotation as “brusque”, but did not otherwise suggest that he disagreed with it, provoking protests across the Muslim world from Turkey to Pakistan to Turkey to Jakarta in Indonesia, left.

The Vatican moved into withdrawal mode, with the Pope’s spokesman, then the Pope himself, on two separate public occasions, saying he did not endorse the emperor’s words, and that he was “very sorry” for the misunderstanding.

Such corrections were damaging to the Pope’s image among Catholics of infallibility.

After the Pope summoned ambassadors to his residence and pledged himself to peaceful dialogue, the row finally died down. But the central paradox remained: if Muslims react so violently when their religion is identified with violence, doesn’t it prove the accusation right?

The politician

John Reid, the Home Secretary, was heckled by protesters as he gave a speech in east London last month urging Muslim parents to watch their children for signs of extremism.

Abu Izzadeen called Mr Reid an “enemy of Islam” and asked how he could “dare” come to a Muslim area after so many had been arrested under the terror legislation. “Shame on all of us for … listening to him,” he said.

It later transpired that Mr Izzadeen has been investigated over comments about the London suicide bombings, after describing the attacks as “mujahedin activity” which would make people “wake up and smell the coffee”, during an interview on the BBC’s Newsnight last year.

Mr Izzadeen’s actions were regarded with contempt by moderate Muslims. Khalid Mahmood, the MP for Perry Barr, condemned a planned visit to Birmingham this month by Mr Izzadeen and his followers for an Islamic rally. He said: “The people who follow Izzadeen are idiots and he should be banned from ever entering Birmingham.”

The opera

Germany’s first case of self-censorship in the face of a perceived Islamic terrorist threat provoked uproar last week when one of Berlin’s opera houses banned a production of the Mozart opera Idomeneo, which depicted the beheading of the world’s spiritual leaders, including Mohamed. (The head of Jesus is pictured left). The scene does not appear in the original plot.

Kirsten Harms, the director of the city’s Deutsche Oper, quit because she had been warned by police that the work would pose an “incalculable security risk” if it was shown, provoking criticism from politicians, theatre directors and the majority of Muslim community leaders. Kenan Kolat, the head of Germany’s Turkish community, said: “The opera should be shown. Art must be free.” Ali Kizilkaya, the head of the Islamic Council, disagreed. “The ban is right because the scene offends the feelings of Muslims,” he said. “Whether it’s an opera or a cartoon, it makes no difference.”

The radio show

Being funny about fatwas on the radio has not got down well with defenders of Muslim civil rights in the United States. In recent weeks the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) has taken action twice to chide those it believes have crossed the line from humour to abuse.

First to be reprimanded was a Minnesota radio station which aired a skit called “Muslim Jeopardy” hosted by DJ Dave Ryan (left). With a mangled South Asian accent, an anonymous announcer named three categories of questions: “infamous infidels”, “smells like Shia” and “potent portables”. A female host was threatened with beheading if she got an answer wrong. After a letter of complaint from CAIR, the station apologised.

Then came a radio commercial from an Ohio car dealership which was withdrawn after complaints. It declared a “a jihad on the automotive industry” and said sales representatives would be wearing burqas.

The intellectual

Robert Redeker, a French philosophy teacher, and his family have been living in hiding under police protection since he wrote a newspaper article critical of Islam in mid-September. He has received death threats, and Islamist websites have carried his description and directions to his home.

In his article – inspired by Muslim reaction to the Pope’s comments in Germany – he complained that Islam was trying to destroy the West by attacking its liberties.

Soheib Bencheikh, the director of the Institute of Islamic sciences in Paris, said: “Anyone should have the right to criticise Islam, just as Christianity was attacked during the enlightenment in the 18th century… Not to criticise Islam would be a form of segregation.”

But Abdelhakim Sefrioui, a member of the French Council of Imams, said: “The liberty of expression is invoked every time someone wants to stigmatise Islam. There is a climate of Islamophobia in France.”

Interdivisions in Islam

•October 6, 2006 • Leave a Comment

Divisions within Islam


Because of Islam’s great growth geographically in the first two centuries of its inception, there needed to be a larger set of Islamic laws capable of handling the different needs of Muslims throughout the Empire.  The Qur’an and the Hadith were not detailed enough to provide all the answers.  Therefore, in the 8th century A.D., there arose a school of legal experts who interpreted and applied Islamic principles to different situations throughout the Empire.  However, different scholars disagreed with these experts in various areas.  This led to a variety of legal schools of thought within Islam.
These different schools became different sects within Islam.  The largest of the sects is the Sunni which comprises about 90% of all Muslims.  The next two largest are the Shi’i and Sufi. 

Sunni Muslims

     Sunni Muslims  These are followers of the Hanifa, Shafi, Hanibal and Malik schools. They constitute a 90% majority of the believers, and are considered to be main stream traditionalists. Because they are comfortable pursuing their faith within secular societies, they have been able to adapt to a variety of national cultures, while following their three sources of law: the Qur’an, Hadith and consensus of Muslims.
The Sunni emphasize the power and sovereignty of Allah and his right to do whatever he wants with his creation.  Strict determinism is taught.  Its rulership is through the Caliphate, the office of Muslim ruler who is considered the successor to Muhammad.  This successor is not through hereditary lineage.

Sufi Muslims

     The Sufi are a mystical tradition where the followers seek inner mystical knowledge of God.  The Sufi mystic must follow a path of deprivation and meditation.  There are various forms of abstinence and poverty.  Worldly things are renounced and a complete trust in God’s will is taught.  The goal is to attain to a higher knowledge and experience of Allah.  The mystical focus meant that the Qur’an could be interpreted in different ways and so Sufism taught that the Qur’an had mystical meanings hidden within its pages.  Out of this mysticism a type of pantheism developed among some Sufi believers.  Pantheism is the teaching that God and the universe are one.  Of course, the orthodox Muslims, called the Sunni, reject this idea since they claim that Allah is the creator of the universe and distinct from it.
In part, Sufism arose as a reaction to the growing Islamic materialism that had developed in the Empire at that time.  Islam had achieved great power and geographical scope and with it, the material gain was great.   

Conclusion

     As you can see, Islam is not the united religious system it claims to be.  There are divisions among its ranks and even those divisions have divisions.  But what is interesting is that the Qur’an tells the Muslims to have no such divisions.

“The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah – the [sic] which we have sent by inspiration to thee – and that which we enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus:  namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion and make no divisions therein:  to those who worship other things than Allah, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them…” (42:13)

     If this is the case, then the Muslim must admit that the divisions within Islam are sinful.  But, such is the nature of humanity, to divide and set ourselves against one another.

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1.Glasse, Cyril, The Concise Encyclopedia of Islam, Harper & Row, Publishers, Inc. San Francisco, 1989, page 368.

Steve Gibson, Chairman, Middlesbrough FC

•October 6, 2006 • Leave a Comment

http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~kritip/managers%20job.htm

Check the URL above, its about this guy who puts in an application for the vacant manager’s post at Middlesbrough FC this summer. He lists his CV which includes taking Doncaster to European Finals in Football Manager 2005. HAHA and he says he has practical experience in winning some cup with an U-11 team.

Just fucking awesome. And Steve Gibson actually replied to it!! lmao.. gotta hand the prize to Gibson than Jack.

Cristiano and his sense of humour

•October 5, 2006 • Leave a Comment

I am a fan of Manchester United and while I dont know if you can accuse him of being “the diving prince”, you certainly cannot accuse him of not having a sense of humour.

Cristiano Ronaldo’s website http://www.cristianoronaldo7.com/ is actually selling shirts that say “I hate Ronnie, he’s a cheat”. Talk about smart marketing!! lol

Life’s Little Instruction Book

•October 5, 2006 • 2 Comments

Life’s Little Instruction Book :-)
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taken from a sweet girl. Find her @ the blog URL given below:

http://a-dew-drop.blogspot.com

· Have a firm handshake.
· Look people in the eye.
· Sing in the shower.
· Own a great stereo system.
· If in a fight, hit first and hit hard.
· Keep secrets.
· Never give up on anybody.
Miracles happen everyday.

· Always accept an outstretched hand.
· Be brave. Even if you’re not, pretend to be. No one can tell the difference.
· Whistle.
· Avoid sarcastic remarks.
· Choose your life’s mate carefully. From this one decision will come 90 per cent of all your happiness or misery.
· Make it a habit to do nice things for people who will never find out.
· Lend only those books you never care to see again.
· Never deprive someone of hope; it might be all that they have.
· When playing games with ! children, let them win.
· Give people a second chance, but not a third.
· Be romantic.
· Become the most positive and enthusiastic person you know.

· Loosen up. Relax. Except for rare life-and-death matters, nothing is as important as it first seems.

· Don’t allow the phone to interrupt important moments. It’s there for your convenience, not the caller’s.
· Be a good loser.
· Be a good winner.
· Think twice before burdening a friend with a secret.
· When someone hugs you, let them be the first to let go.
· Be modest. A lot was accomplished before you were born.

· Keep it simple.
· Beware of the person who has nothing to lose.
· Don’t burn bridges. You’ll be surprised how many times you have to cross the same river.

· Live your life so that your epitaph could read, No Regrets

· Be bold and courageous. When you look back on life, you’ll regret the things you didn’t do more than the one’s you did.
· Never waste an opportunity to tell someone you love them.
· Remember no one makes it alone. Have a grateful heart and be quick to acknowledge those who helped you.
· Take charge of your attitude. Don’t let someone else choose it for you.

· Visit friends and relatives when they are in hospital; you need only stay a few minutes.
· Begin each day with some of your favorite music.
· Once in a while, take the scenic route.

· Send a lot of Valentine cards. Sign them, ‘Someone who thinks you’re terrific.’
· Answer the phone with enthusiasm and energy in your voice.
· Keep a note pad and pencil on your bed-side table. Million-dollar ideas sometimes strike at 3 a.m.

· Show respect for everyone who works for a living, regardless of how trivial their job.
· Send your loved ones flowers. Think of a reason later.
· Make someone’s day by paying the toll for the person in the car behind you.

· Become someone’s hero.
· Marry only for love.
· Count your blessings.
· Compliment the meal when you’re a guest in someone’s home.
· Wave at the children on a school bus.
· Remember that 80 per cent of the success in any job is based on your ability to deal with people.

· Don’t expect life to be fair.

Human Rights

•October 4, 2006 • Leave a Comment

http://ndtv.com/debate/showdebate.asp?show=1&story_id=213&template=&category=International

Pakistan’s rape laws: A blot on “enlightened moderation”

Vikram Johri

Pakistan’s government recently delayed presenting a bill to Parliament to reform Islamic laws covering rape and adultery after vociferous objections from Islamic parties.

The government gave in to the hardline Islamist alliance Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA) after the latter threatened to quit Parliament if the laws, commonly known as the Hudood Ordinances, were changed.

The laws caught international attention after the tragic story of Mukhtaran Mai came to light. Mai was 30 when she was ordered to be gang raped by a tribal jirga in Meerwala Jatoi in southern Punjab. She was made to pay for the clannish disputes between her tribe, the Tatla and the Mastois.

The incident was enough to revive the debate over the Hudood Ordinances. A set of laws intended to make the criminal justice system conform with Islamic law, they were enshrined in Pakistani law in 1979 by General Zia ul-Haq to assuage the country’s powerful religious elite following his military coup. These laws cover offences including Zina crimes (unlawful sexual intercourse including adultery and rape) and Qazf (wrongful accusation of Zina crimes). The maximum punishment for Zina crimes is death by stoning. Many Pakistani women are imprisoned for years, convicted or awaiting trial for Zina crimes.

According to Amnesty International, if women report a rape to the police they are often charged with Zina crimes because they have in effect had sexual intercourse outside of marriage and are unable to prove absence of consent. The victim’s own testimony is not admissible as evidence. Rape must be proved either by the perpetrator’s confession or by the testimony of four men.

Bewildering perversity

The very letter of the law is bewildering in its perversity. How can the victim be expected to produce four witnesses to her rape? How does one “prove” absence of consent? The law puts the onus of proving the rape on the victim and her family. It discourages families from reporting rape to the police since if the rape is not proved, the family is charged with misreporting and detained under Qazf laws.

This is why, despite the Pakistan Human Rights Commission’s shocking figures (as per one report, every two hours a woman is raped in Pakistan and every eight hours a woman is subjected to gang rape), the actual frequency of rape is thought to be still higher because many rapes remain unreported due to glaring chinks in Pakistan’s laws.

General Pervez Musharraf’s claims of furthering “enlightened moderation” have begun to sound a lot like hot air. At first sight, his government seemed to be moving forward on the issue. Law Minister Mohammad Wasi Zafar asked for rape to be tried in secular courts and not Islamic ones. That would have been a step forward in rescuing not just rape laws but others, most notably those directed against women and other kinds of minorities (religious, sexual et al), from the influence of Sharia. But all this may come to naught if the government does not resist pressure from the Islamic alliance to retain regressive laws in the statute book.

The government may derive relief from the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM), a major ally of the ruling Pakistan Muslim League, that has said it doesn’t want to “cave in to conservative people who want to take the country back to mediaeval times”.

But that is small comfort for Musharraf who is fighting hard to portray the image of a benevolent reformer to the outside world. Unless he does more to bring Pakistan’s laws in tune with notions of a civilized society, Pakistan’s claims of being a reformist Islamic nation, following in the footsteps of Kemal Ataturk’s Turkey, will continue to ring hollow.

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Comments by: aswathyms     Posted on :9/28/2006 9:42:49 PM (#4576)

i was bewildered afer reading the article. i have always had a strong sense of frustruation towards the outdated and dumbish attitude of musilms ( the extremely orthodox one`s) towards women. a rape is like a murder for a woman. so inorder to atleast give her sense of dignity, after a tragic mishap, the judiciary should try to give maximum punishment ( preferably death sentence) to the culprits. the people fo pakistan should realise that they are no longer living in the 18th century, the modern society is changing. so the traditional views that supress the rights of a women to get justice shold be re checked. muslim sociey had always been pariarchial.
Comments by: trueguyalways     Posted on :9/28/2006 9:25:34 PM (#4575)

Whatever rape case, the accused must be punished severely. The law what it says now is ridiculous. They should get the maximum possible punishment, Like slicing of penis, and then live all his life in prison.Life term punishment is must for this kind of people, that too after cut their penis. And if someone throwing acid, or involved in molestation, also must be punished severely.Otherwise just we are here to read the news and vomitting our thoughts. Who will do all this? Why government still not taking any severe action against this? How many families got affected? How many of our sisters lost their life? How many cases never been reported? How many accused still live happily after destroying one girl’s life? Why we people are like this? We have backone, we have to do something, to terminate these kind of accused from our country. I dont know the people who read this can understand my thoughts or not? Just i want not to read anymore rape cases, not to hear anymore such cases. For that what is required? My opinion is severe punishment, so that the accused will not have future.Will it happen?I hope …….yes.
Comments by: nooruddin_yaadgar     Posted on :9/27/2006 4:52:18 PM (#4572)

THE ZINA LAW HAS BEEN MIS-INTEPRETED BY PAKISTANI GOVT AND IN ISLAM A REPIST HAS THE MAXIMUM PUNISHMENT AND THERE’S NO RESPITE FOR THEM,THIS ONLY FURTHER STATES THE STATE OF WOMENS LINING UNDER PAKISTANI JURISDICTION..HOW HELPLESS THEY MUST BE,ITS REALLY SAD A LAW WHICH BARRED WOMEN FROM THEIR FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT’S HAS BEEN FORCED IN THE NAME OF ISLAM..WOMEN ARE MIRROR OF ISLAM THEY SYMBOLISE THE PURITY AND SACRIFISE..PAKISTAN SHOULD TAKE SOME VITAL NOTES FRM INDIA ON HOW TO PROTECT WOMEN FRM ALL WALKS OF RELIGIONS..IT IS OFTEN HEARD FRM PAKISTANI SIDE HOW INDIA HAS BEEN VIOLATING THE HUMAN RIGHTS IN KASHMIR..WHERE AS NOT FOR ONES DID THEY ACCEPT THEIR GOVT’S PROTECTS A RAPIST..PAKISTAN HAS SET A WRONG EXAMPLE FOR THE ENTIRE WORLD NOT JUST ONES BUT ON SEVERAL OCASSIONS..PAKISTAN’S CORE FOCUS IS ONLY ON INDIA AND ITS ACTIVITIES WHT’S HAPPENING HERE IS ALL WHAT MUSHRRAF IS CONCERNED..CHILD MOLESTATION AND SEXUAL HARRASSMENT IS ON ITS ALL TIME RISE IN PAKISTAN BCZ THE WOMEN IN TRIBAL AREA’S AND INTERIORS FEAR LEAVING THEIR HOMES..AND THE PRICE IS PAID BY YOUNG GUYS, ITS MAY SOUND REDICULOUS BUT ITS TRUTH..
Comments by: afreenjalal     Posted on :9/26/2006 9:43:44 AM (#4570)

The figures are shocking and this happening in a islamic state is a shame for all muslims. The reason is Pakistan is still ruled by cynical tribes who are far from civilization. They still see women as a secondary human being. I see a major gap in the understanding of rape laws of Islam. Answering some of my friends below, we are more than proud to be Indians. And this is the reason why we shout for upholding the secular,democratic fabric of India intact because I believe that India is a shining example of harbouring so many religions and cultures together and progressing ahead.
Comments by: ghaziajalali     Posted on :9/26/2006 9:37:01 AM (#4569)

Its a fact that Pakistan is still in stone age. They are still a group of tribals who have no idea of where the rest of the world is. Quran holds woman in very high regard. Zina laws are very well defined in Quran and what these tribes do is in no way compliant with them. I wish Musharraf good luck and hope he can win against the wilds who can gang rape a woman for “justice”. Pakistan was created (after so much bloodshed) as a Islamic state but I must say they have done more damage to the image of Islam than anybody else.The whole dream of independence was shattered because of the greed of power of few.
Comments by: sdhull     Posted on :9/25/2006 8:07:26 PM (#4568)

Just a thought, we should also think of inviting comments from people who feel the other way…The others ( or second ) opinion, u see.
Comments by: JASAUS     Posted on :9/25/2006 8:23:33 AM (#4566)

Few days back Mr Mussaraf gave a statement that after 11/9 he got a threat from America to check the activities of Talibaan, otherwise they will fell so many bombs on Pakistan and Afganistan to send them in stoneage. I don’t think this threat was needed, just go through this article i think they are already living in stonage. The muslim community living in India should be proud that they are not living in stoneage country and there anscestors did right decision by not leaving India at the time of partition. Dear friends the religion is to make our life easy not difficult.
Comments by: gupsn     Posted on :9/21/2006 5:27:40 PM (#4555)

Some people seem to hide their own crimes in the name of Religion. These laws are meant to RIDICULE women, forget respecting them. This is OPPRESSION under the cover of DEMOCRACY by imposing their own laws. Its even difficult to imagine the trauma which the poor woman(victim) and her parents have to undergo. Such a high rape rate is just shhocking. Immediate steps are required to be taken against these inhuman laws.
Comments by: ayurdhi     Posted on :9/20/2006 10:29:45 PM (#4553)

i was absolutely dumbstruck at reading this article.being a woman i can easily imagine the ordeal a woman goes through aafter any form of molestation i.e from eve teasing to something as henious as rape.and the laws governing the women of pakistan concerning the same are not worth being called laws.it’s absolutely ridiculous how one has to prove “absence of consent” or have four men present at the occasion to testify.if 4 men were actually sitting there watching the crime happen they should be the forst to be castrated and then the rapist.a woman’s life has turned into an absolute nightmare and then the incessant “tanas” of society followed by relentless and humiliating questioning in the courts is enough to have anyone revert back to home and report the crime.a country exists because of its people and its the foremost responsibility of the government and the law governing bodies to ensure its people’s safety.this in a sincere request,no,actually a desperate plea to humanity:start respecting woman or a day would come when they would be among the “endagered spesies” group.

What can I say? Things like this happen in India too, in the remote villages where the word of the Upper Caste is the law. Women are taken advantage of just as easily as it is being done in Pakistan. US citizens express shock at the lack of human rights in India while we dont much give a damn about it. We express our righteous indignation about the state of affairs in words but we do not have the balls to do anything about it.

But yes as much as I have said, if what Mr. Vikram Johri has written is true  and I see evidence, there is a chance I might vomit right now.